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LinkWhat, no cherry filling?Mar 30, '07 2:38 AM
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Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6509127.stm

"He used 200 pounds (90 kg) of chocolate to make the sculpture which, unusually, depicts Jesus without a loincloth."

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skinflaps wrote on Mar 30, '07
xandram wrote on Mar 30, '07
Chocolate loin cloths have been out of fashion since the Dark Ages...
corylus wrote on Mar 30, '07
I really can't see why it's offensive - though I would probably say [marked-for-deletion] for the dreadful pun
absinthewol wrote on Mar 30, '07
corylus said
really can't see why it's offensive
Yes, if you are going to eat the body of your Saviour, then why not make it tasty, instead of those nasty white wafer things.
ksrasra wrote on Mar 30, '07
no loincloth is rather nearer the truth isn't it?
corylus wrote on Mar 30, '07
if you are going to eat the body of your Saviour, then why not make it tasty, instead of those nasty white wafer things.
Well exactly.
petersealy wrote on Mar 30, '07
I caught this on a banner headline coming into work (one of the NY tabloids specializes in being outraged). But, despite being a committed Christian, I am having trouble seeing what all the fuss is about. Maybe that commandment about not making graven images?

I think it's an excellent artistic statement.
corylus wrote on Mar 30, '07
Graven images would rule out pretty much any Catholic church in the UK (I only making the distinction because the CofE tends not to have images of the crucified Christ but rather the empty cross)
absinthewol wrote on Mar 30, '07
corylus said
Graven images would rule out pretty much any Catholic church
It could ruin the souvenir trade in Rome.
halfsure wrote on Mar 30, '07
Sweet jumping ship in a bottle, what's the fuss? It's just Christiandom's lot to cry 'foul' in the US.

If anyone has a reason to be pissed off it's the NAACP and muslims. Don't expect to hear much from them, though, they know not to discuss religion, politics, or comedy in mixed company.
petersealy wrote on Mar 30, '07
Exactly. (Even the CofE runs afoul, with its stained glass windows, and the cross itself.)
afroassault wrote on Mar 31, '07
//angered a US Catholic group//

That pretty much sums up anything.
ihatecornflakes wrote on Mar 31, '07
I like the irony of the artwork... chocolate, Easter, religious fervour and anger go hand-in-hand, don't they?
ihatecornflakes wrote on Mar 31, '07, edited on Mar 31, '07
Actually, we got a bunch of godwallopers darkening our doorstep on Friday. They were "witnessing" our area for Easter.

One of them told me "This is the time of year we think of Christ and Easter." My response, "I don't", was enough to convince them to move on. I think they'd get far more positive responses if they handed out chocolate rabbits.
absinthewol wrote on Apr 1, '07
They were "witnessing" our area for Easter.
Sounds like a bunch of pro-active vigilantes.
ihatecornflakes wrote on Apr 3, '07
8 of them, parading up and down the street in their Sunday best, on a Wednesday morning. All of the men in jackets, ties and hats; All of the women in white, shin-length dresses, jackets and parasols.

Makes you wish you had waterbombs filled with beetroot juice.
absinthewol wrote on Apr 3, '07
Sunday best, on a Wednesday morning
It was Friday three posts ago!
ihatecornflakes wrote on Apr 3, '07
You're right! What's today?... Tuesday, so it must have been Friday when they were here. I thought it was pretty weird on a weekday. They usually dress their kids up like store mannequins and terrorise the neighbourhood on the weekends.

I just asked my wife... she thinks it was Thursday... now I'm really confused.
ihatecornflakes wrote on Apr 3, '07
They chickened out on the show?

Disappointed that people play these silly appeasement games with religious cranks of all colours and stripes.
ksrasra wrote on Apr 6, '07
You wouldn't think the Catholics would be so upset since they "eat Jesus" every week. Maybe if the statue had been blessed first and then distributed in bite sized chunks it wouldn't have been so offensive... (Hector, you are the loudest, damn religious crank I know! *rolls eyes*)

chocolate covered chicken, eh? Now there's an idea!
ihatecornflakes wrote on Apr 6, '07
You're just sensitive because you think I'm picking on YOUR religion, Sarah.

I was thinking specifically about the images we've seen this week, of Nancy Pelosi wearing a headscarf whilst in Syria. She's obviously done it to appease the local religious right. However, we don't see the same consideration from Islamic women when they visit non-Islamic countries. This brouhaha over a chocolate figurine is exactly the same sort of statement, by a different group, in a different country, with a different barrow to push, for the same basic cause.

The sooner we are able to abolish or mute ALL religious obeisance and ritual, the sooner we have a chance of establishing peace between nations.
ksrasra wrote on Apr 9, '07
Nonsense! You can't pick on my religion, you don't even know what it is or if I even have one! I am talking about your eternal flame-war against all that dares call itself 'holy.' I realize you are democratic in resenting everyone's religion equally.

'All obeisance and ritual should be obliterated or muted...' HAHAHAHA! Sometimes I wonder if you read what you write, Hector. It would take a massive organized institution to enforce that desire. So what do you care if a group of people tack on the name of god or just tack on the name of Hector before badgering people over the head? : P
ihatecornflakes wrote on Apr 10, '07
ksrasra said
Sometimes I wonder if you read what you write, Hector. It would take a massive organized institution to enforce that desire.
I never read what I write, Sarah. I don't look in the toilet after I shit, either... that would be another symptom of insecurity.

Like I said... //The sooner we are able to abolish or mute ALL religious obeisance and ritual, the sooner we have a chance of establishing peace between nations.// In other words, NEVER. I attribute the lack of hope of ever resolving this problem to the unwillingness of those who deeply espouse "faith" to accept others' points of view. B^(
ksrasra wrote on Apr 10, '07
You just compared your writing to shit, but I'll try to overlook it this once. ; )

I get where you are coming from and I do sympathize with your boiling frustration with group-think that is evident in most organized religions (and most organizations, frankly). This is a symptom of the human race, not just the chunk who believe in a "Higher Power" however. I think you conveniently attribute this flaw more heavily to those who believe as you do not. Religious order not withstanding.

Anywhos, I was thinking again last night about the chocolate Jesus and it occurred to me that a person spending hours and days (months?) recreating the image of a crucified Christ (regardless of the medium) is probably also thinking a great deal about the event he or she is depicting. And from the viewpoint of a Christian, isn't that a good thing? And maybe someone's feelings are hurt when a crucifix is deposited in a jar of urine and passed off as art, but quite frankly, the offense isn't against the believers anyways. If it is offensive to anyone it would be to the One who died on the cross and created the pisser. So who's to say whether or not He's actually offended?

That being said, I think excrement as art is evidence of a fecal-obsession and doesn't do much for me. Chocolate on the other hand, has a lovely smell and reminds me of Easter. : )
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